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File:Vodafone 2017.svg

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This logo has been discussed a number of times before such as at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone Logo klein.svg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone.svg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone.png, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone Greece logo2017.png and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone Albania.svg, with the consensus has been that it is too complex to be PD per COM:TOO#United Kingdom or to be kept per COM:PCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:12, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Speedy delete I could understand if the earlier logos with the O's in the Vodafone logotype representing opening and closing quotation marks and suggesting conversation are above the UK TOO. But the current logo? A quotation mark (text) cut out of a circle with "vodafone" written under it? - Alexis Jazz 04:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've posted notes on the user talk pages of the admins who closed the DRs mentioned above (I didn't post on the one admin who was subsequently banned) to ask for clarification of which file they deleted and whether it is the same as this. The "quotation mark" has been previously referred to as a "teardrop", but that might have been for an older version. However, this is resolved is fine with me, but it probably needs to be resolved for good one way or the other. Simply uploading the same file again and again is a waste if it's only going to continued to be deleted. At the same time, if someone feels the other deletions need to be reconsidered, then that should probably be done per COM:REFUND and not by reuploading the file again and again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:08, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete same logo as the one deleted in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone.svg, more creative than the EDGE magazine logo that is copyrightable in UK Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Christian Ferrer: I beg to differ. The E in the EDGE logo is customized to make it appear as if EDGE is sort of strike through. Which is sort of creative and probably a custom font.
For the Vodafone logo, we are talking about the speechmark. It's a quotation mark. Cut out of a circle. A red circle. - Alexis Jazz 16:27, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see little to no value in having the 3D version here and don't really mind if that, along with the old logo version that uses quotation marks in the O's is deleted just to be on the safe side. But this version should imho be kept. - Alexis Jazz 16:27, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete Is this fine in the United States? Absolutely. Is this fine in the UK? Highly debatable. And therein lies the problem. The "sweat of the brow" type threshold of originality upheld by the UK courts is really difficult to get around. From my point of view, cutting a quotation mark out of a red circle could very well meet that threshold.

    The UK court's threshold for originality is the expenditure of more than negligible or trivial effort or relevant skill in the creation of the work. Going back to the EDGE decision (where that quote came from), it was determined that the simple stretching of the font and the addition of a bar is non-negligible. The quotation mark indicates "talking" which shows a deliberate attempt to match the logo to the product being offered. I could definitely see the EDGE decision being applied to this logo as well since the creation of the logo requires additional skill in design to ensure the logo looks proper. That certainly seems like something that would meet a sweat of the brow type TOO. --Majora (talk) 17:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Majora: So why are we keeping the BBC logo again? - Alexis Jazz 19:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Letters in normal, everyday, typefaces are below the UK's TOO. That much is clear. The quotation mark in this logo is not in a normal typeface. Also, you uploading a derivative work of something that is DR'ed (File:Nadafone.png) is disrupting Commons to prove a point. Something you should really try to avoid. --Majora (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Quotation mark cut out of a circle.
Letters cut out of squares.
So why are we keeping the BBC logo again? The not-everyday font thing? When we are talking about a quotation mark?
Please remove the link to Nadafone in this discussion here. I don't know how your tools work, but I have seen before this can result in accidental deletion. Nadafone does not disrupt Commons. - Alexis Jazz 21:49, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Continuing to compare this to the BBC logo indicates a misunderstanding of how the UK looks at these things. And you were the one that brought it up originally anyways. I'm not removing anything and when this file gets deleted I'll have to DR your derivative anyways. And saying that your derivative work of a potentially copyrighted logo is not disruption indicates a misunderstanding of those things as well. --Majora (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You won't have to DR it. You win. I don't have time for this. If anyone would now ask me, I can't explain why a quotation mark in a circle is not OK but letters in boxes are. If anything shows misunderstanding, it's how the deletion request results for the 3D logo are getting applied to a 2D logo. - Alexis Jazz 21:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment This 2D Vodafone logo was unveiled in October 2017. I took a closer look at the deletion requests linked here. In the order they are linked:
  1. The first DR was from December 2016, so not this logo.
  2. The second nomination is from August 2016, so again, not this logo.
  3. The third nomination (December 2017) is from Majora saying "See previous nomination". I don't know if this file was the old or the new logo, but the previous nomination that was being referred to was certainly not the current logo. File was deleted per nomination.
  4. The fourth nomination (December 2017) is again from Majora saying "Similar to previous Vodafone logos. All deleted.". Deleted without discussion.
  5. The fifth nomination is identical. (exact same time and text, Majora) Deleted per nomination.
  6. The sixth nomination was a 3D version of this logo, so.. not this logo. - Alexis Jazz 22:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most of those were actually speedable under COM:CSD General 4. They were recreations of the same deleted logo. And just because they were deleted without discussion doesn't mean the DR didn't have merit. It really does seems like you don't understand how the UK does TOO or how Commons deals with file maintenance issues such as this. --Majora (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Deleted, by Christian Ferrer per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Vodafone logos. Taivo (talk) 08:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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